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« on: November 14, 2008, 02:52:01 PM »

Hi there everyone...

You might have heard that the Australian Government under Senator Steven Conroy has started working on a proposed "ISP Level Internet Filtering" system.

Under this new scheme, ISP's (the people who sell you your Internet Access) will be required by law to filter your internet, and block out sites that are determined by the Australian Government. 

While we can accept that there are some unsavoury sides to the Internet - there are a one main of aspect to this plan that gets my hackles up, and makes me scared.  It is basically that  there will be two filters - one you can "opt out" of , but the second filter is mandatory, can cannot be removed.

This means that the government gets to choose what we can see and read on the Internet, with no recourse, debate accountability or process control.  It is blatant and unreserved censorship of information.

While Senator Conroy says that this will only be used to block illegal or "unwanted" content in Australia  - the fact is that trials conducted have proven that this technology actually slows down the Internet speed, and produces "false positives".  This means that some harmless and potentially valuable sites will be blocked unintentionally.

Secondly - at no stage has Senator Conroy disclosed what he means by "unwanted" content!  We could actually be empowering our government to block whatever content they like! 

Yes - it is most certainly looking like the  "great firewall of China" that was internationally criticised during the last Olympic games.

Here are some points to note:

* all trials to date so some degradation / slowing of internet speeds - this is contrary to Gvt policy/programs to improve speed in Australia
* all trial show a degree of "false positives" - which means that legitimate content will be inadvertently censored.  You may call it "collateral damage" to the cause, but as you can't pick what is accidentally being censored, it is not right for governments to impose this.
* this technology must make ISP services more expensive - unless ongoing subsidies from the Gvt are provided.  basically there are new systems to be maintained, new support calls to be answered by customers etc..   This has a real and unavoidable labour cost at best.
* the filtering technology proposed can be bypassed at any time by using a techniques such as anonymous proxies and secure VPN tunnels.  This is not difficult to do.  So effectively people trying to get around it can, but legitimate users have their internet made slower and more expensive, and can't trust that they are getting the whole story
* the filtering technology proposed only blocks HTTP traffic.  The largest volume of traffic on the internet today is peer to peer and email.

All of our nations major Internet Service Providers (ISP's) have spoken out against the plan, but the government seem to discount their advice saying they have a vested interest in keeping the Internet unblocked as they will make more more money.

This argument is ridiculous when you understand the technology.  ISP's report that between 50 - 85% of their traffic (and hence revenue) is from peer to peer traffic.  This form of traffic would be unhindered by the proposed internet filtering.  When you add other traffic such as instant messaging and email, the majority of revenue base would be unaffected.  Saying that ISP's have a vested interest just doesn't hold water - it actually sounds silly.

Nothing seems to stack up - so the only question I have is  "why" ?  What is really driving this process.

Some links to this debate:

http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/
http://www.efa.org.au/
http://www.nocleanfeed.com/


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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2008, 10:47:16 AM »

GetUp! is Action for Australia

GetUp! is currently collecting electronic signatures on their petition to give to the Federal Government about not wanting "draconian government restrictions on the internet that will hold back the digital economy and miss the vast majority of unwanted content."
 
GetUp! brings together like-minded people who want to bring participation back into our democracy.

Sign the petition at:
http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/SaveTheNet/442GetUp is Action for Australia

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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2008, 09:53:29 AM »

Nice work Rob !

Good to see that a major organisation like Get Up! has got on board with this one..

Smiley RG
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 10:25:17 AM »

Hey there everyone !

Righto here is the news Smiley

The "live trial" that was supposed to start last year, has not actually started yet.  The ill-conceived plan that Senator Steven Conroy concocted to roll out a major new technology just prior the our nations collective support/tech staff taking Christmas holidays was saved by common sense & poor planning.

Anyway, on other news, Netspace survey finds nearly 80% of customers disagree with mandatory ISP filtering.  A survey on mandatory ISP filtering conducted by one of Australia’s major ISPs, Netspace, has received responses from nearly 10,000 customers.  Asked whether they agree with the Federal Government’s policy to make ISP level filtering mandatory for all Australians, 61% of respondents strongly disagreed, with only 6.3% strongly agreeing.  Check out the full results on the Netspace Website

South Australian Liberal Senator Simon Birmingham has described Kevin Rudd’s filtering policy as an ill-considered and dangerous policy with the potential to inflict serious harm on a variety of levels.  Well done mate - I can't vote for ya, but I like what you're doing.

Anyone who sent a letter of concern to Labor Senators and MPs about mandatory ISP filtering will likely have received the same standard form reply sent nation wide. That takes no effort and it means the Government still fail to address countless relevent and important questions about the plan over a year into its implementation.

In response, Mark Newton has created a form letter (direct PDF link) of his own that all Australian’s are free to send back. This one directly attacks the inaccuracies made in the ALP letter, but as Mark points out, if you choose to use it you’re placing yourself into a position similar to the position the MPs have chosen for themselves. Make sure you agree with what he’s written before you put your name to it.

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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2009, 09:52:02 AM »

Senator Conroy has released the names of which ISPs will be participating in round one of his live filtering pilot. They are:

    * Primus Telecommunications
    * Tech 2U (care for a trip back to 1992 anyone?)
    * Webshield (already offers filtered service)
    * OMNIconnect
    * Netforce
    * Highway 1

Optus and iiNet are not in this first round and whether they will participate in the 2nd round I expect hangs heavily on the feedback received from this list of ISPs. Too negative and Conroy knows iiNet will roll him. He wants to iron out some of the bugs before he lets his baby into iiNet’s hands.

The above was taken from a post on Somebody Think Of The Children.  I really have to wonder what the Government is trying to hide here - they are engineering the whole situation in what I believe is an underhanded way to try their best to get a positive review on their flawed plans.

People - ask your local member what is going on, demand answers - this is getting scary.
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2009, 01:08:57 PM »

The whole thing is just plain dumb. Instead of filtering at the ISP's end why not just provide people with a program that filters the internet at the consumers end.    Huh
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« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2009, 01:26:34 PM »

Hi there Bentree,

Yes - I would have to agree with you. The government did in fact provide filters for personal computers - and there are a number of other companies providing such services.

I have heard that there might be an ISP that maintains it's own "opt-in" filter as well if you want.  (I would be happy if anyone could chip in with the name of this company!)

It is dumb, it is expensive, it doesn't stop the baddies and it will cost all Australians our freedoms.

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« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2009, 04:01:32 PM »

Well I had to join Radio Geek. It is such a good show.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 06:18:04 PM »

Well - news for the day/week or moment Smiley

Optus has announced that it will be participating in the governments ISP level filtering trial.  They will start some time around the end of May..

Fear not faithful citizens of the far north!  The filtering trial will be restricted to areas around Sydney / Newcastle.

Check out the full news at the optus website.

Yes - I'm scared that this jack-boot policy from Senator Conroy will actually get up.  What a wast of $125,800,000 !!  Surely we can think of a better use for this money!

Got any suggestions ?  Would love to read out the best answers on the air!

:)RG
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2009, 11:32:01 AM »

Well I just hope that if this gets implemented permently that someone will find away around it.
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« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2009, 09:08:20 AM »

It's pretty easy to get around it, but that's not the point.

The filter does not affect the major source of all traffice, which is "Peer to Peer file sharing", it does not affect email, Voip or secure/encrypted traffic.  If you wanted to get around the filter, all you have to do is use an "anonymous proxy" and you are away.

The main point is that the filter will affect the majority of computer users negatively by slowing their connection and incorrectly blocking websites.  Most average users simply will not work out how to get around it, and will just put up with the problems.  The people who the filter is aimed at stopping will turn on a proxy server and merrily go on their way after about 5 minutes work.  It is a very expensive way for this government to achieve very little.

I would rather have the money that is being wasted on this scheme being spent on something useful like education or health.

Anyway - Don't worry, if the filter goes ahead you will find "how to" guides popping up everywhere on how to get around it Smiley  Human history has shown that we are a resourceful bunch who like to find ways around things. 

Clever little monkeys us eh ?

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:)RG

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2010, 05:28:08 PM »

Sorry to drag up an old topic.

So will the Ranga censor Conroy?

Any predictions on the future of this vile filter?
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2010, 01:20:56 AM »

The implementation has been delayed:

http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/conroy-backs-down-on-net-filters-20100709-10381.html
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« Reply #13 on: August 05, 2010, 09:13:48 AM »

Not entirely sure this is a good thing or not...

Would be interested to know what you think... Is this an attempt to quietly kill the project, or just to take it off the election agenda because it's a losing issue.

hmmm...  I smell a rat.
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« Reply #14 on: August 05, 2010, 03:21:22 PM »

hmmm...  I smell a rat.
There has been one of those chewing through cables in one of our offices. Not sure you could smell it from there though...  Wink
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